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		<title>By: Deena</title>
		<link>http://habitza.com/2009/11/12/subconscious-rejection/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long-timer, I just can&#039;t help but think that this community has pros and cons to it and, in some ways, being part of it might make it more difficult to connect with &quot;the one.&quot; I&#039;m not belittling the importance of having such a community but I&#039;m wondering if there is at least a bit of a vicious cycle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long-timer, I just can&#8217;t help but think that this community has pros and cons to it and, in some ways, being part of it might make it more difficult to connect with &#8220;the one.&#8221; I&#8217;m not belittling the importance of having such a community but I&#8217;m wondering if there is at least a bit of a vicious cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: rgoldstand</title>
		<link>http://habitza.com/2009/11/12/subconscious-rejection/#comment-80</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey hey hey, I *said* no hard feelings, right?

From my experience, it&#039;s very rare to find a really compatible boy-girl pair who become (and stay) good friends without either one of them feeling any sexual tension. I&#039;ve seen them *claim* it&#039;s platonic, but one of them is always lying, and usually knows it (or figures it out fairly quickly).

PS: In a moment of painful honesty, allow me to point out that even in the MO world, there are still a few poor schlubs like me who spent their entire childhood and adolescence in separate schools and first encountered boys when it was time to start dating. So it comes as no surprise to me that there should be a shidduch crisis. And that, my friends, is my self-analysis for the night. I think I&#039;m gonna go and hide under my lilypad now... :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey hey hey, I *said* no hard feelings, right?</p>
<p>From my experience, it&#8217;s very rare to find a really compatible boy-girl pair who become (and stay) good friends without either one of them feeling any sexual tension. I&#8217;ve seen them *claim* it&#8217;s platonic, but one of them is always lying, and usually knows it (or figures it out fairly quickly).</p>
<p>PS: In a moment of painful honesty, allow me to point out that even in the MO world, there are still a few poor schlubs like me who spent their entire childhood and adolescence in separate schools and first encountered boys when it was time to start dating. So it comes as no surprise to me that there should be a shidduch crisis. And that, my friends, is my self-analysis for the night. I think I&#8217;m gonna go and hide under my lilypad now&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: Deena</title>
		<link>http://habitza.com/2009/11/12/subconscious-rejection/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK people, OK! I didn&#039;t say I for sure thought it was a solution. I was merely suggesting it as something to consider because of this thing I think I might be seeing of people not moving beyond friendship or friendliness. And rgoldstand, you&#039;re taking my words to an extreme. To begin with I am talking about a community where almost EVERYTHING is co-ed so I&#039;m not talking about taking a very seperate community and making it more seperate. I&#039;m suggesting that maybe a little more seperation could help remind people of the differences.

You said things about having the opportunity to talk to someone of the opposite sex who isn&#039;t a relative but that is taking it to the extreme because to begin with I&#039;m not talking about such a divided community.

Look, maybe I&#039;m totally wrong and people are moving beyond friendship when they feel potential. But if I am right, and people aren&#039;t giving each other enough chances, do you have any other solutions in mind to remedy that?

Vera.... I hope we can survive this! :) (Let&#039;s make sure to discuss smilies at our next meeting. Very important for the good of the site.)

Oh, and what&#039;s BA?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK people, OK! I didn&#8217;t say I for sure thought it was a solution. I was merely suggesting it as something to consider because of this thing I think I might be seeing of people not moving beyond friendship or friendliness. And rgoldstand, you&#8217;re taking my words to an extreme. To begin with I am talking about a community where almost EVERYTHING is co-ed so I&#8217;m not talking about taking a very seperate community and making it more seperate. I&#8217;m suggesting that maybe a little more seperation could help remind people of the differences.</p>
<p>You said things about having the opportunity to talk to someone of the opposite sex who isn&#8217;t a relative but that is taking it to the extreme because to begin with I&#8217;m not talking about such a divided community.</p>
<p>Look, maybe I&#8217;m totally wrong and people are moving beyond friendship when they feel potential. But if I am right, and people aren&#8217;t giving each other enough chances, do you have any other solutions in mind to remedy that?</p>
<p>Vera&#8230;. I hope we can survive this! :) (Let&#8217;s make sure to discuss smilies at our next meeting. Very important for the good of the site.)</p>
<p>Oh, and what&#8217;s BA?</p>
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		<title>By: Vera Resnick</title>
		<link>http://habitza.com/2009/11/12/subconscious-rejection/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vera Resnick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually agree with you on this one - I think gender separation is possibly part of the cause, probably not part of the solution.  I wonder why the BA framework does work for dating even though people are spending a lot of time together - but the &quot;bitza&quot; quasi-framework doesn&#039;t seem to work?  Just the age factor or maybe something more?  

OMG, Deena and I are disagreeing - can habitza.com handle this?  Only time will tell. ):::(&#039;...: (sorry, can&#039;t get the hang of these smileys..)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with you on this one &#8211; I think gender separation is possibly part of the cause, probably not part of the solution.  I wonder why the BA framework does work for dating even though people are spending a lot of time together &#8211; but the &#8220;bitza&#8221; quasi-framework doesn&#8217;t seem to work?  Just the age factor or maybe something more?  </p>
<p>OMG, Deena and I are disagreeing &#8211; can habitza.com handle this?  Only time will tell. ):::(&#8216;&#8230;: (sorry, can&#8217;t get the hang of these smileys..)</p>
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		<title>By: rgoldstand</title>
		<link>http://habitza.com/2009/11/12/subconscious-rejection/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rgoldstand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How the heck are religious singles supposed to meet each other if people keep pushing for more gender separation? Why shouldn&#039;t we have a chance to get to know each other in a non-shidduch, non-singles-event forum? Or at least practise having a conversation with a peer of the opposite sex who is not our sister/brother/cousin when we&#039;re not busy stressing about whether or not there is potential here for a second date...

Incidentally, I know plenty of couples who started off as friends and/or &quot;intermarried&quot; within the Katamon (or Givat Shmuel) incubator. Or how about an even better example - how many dati-leumi couples do you know who met in Bnei Akiva (assuming you know ppl who grew up here and not just Chutznikim)?

Sorry Deena, but I&#039;m gonna have to disagree this time. No hard feelings? ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How the heck are religious singles supposed to meet each other if people keep pushing for more gender separation? Why shouldn&#8217;t we have a chance to get to know each other in a non-shidduch, non-singles-event forum? Or at least practise having a conversation with a peer of the opposite sex who is not our sister/brother/cousin when we&#8217;re not busy stressing about whether or not there is potential here for a second date&#8230;</p>
<p>Incidentally, I know plenty of couples who started off as friends and/or &#8220;intermarried&#8221; within the Katamon (or Givat Shmuel) incubator. Or how about an even better example &#8211; how many dati-leumi couples do you know who met in Bnei Akiva (assuming you know ppl who grew up here and not just Chutznikim)?</p>
<p>Sorry Deena, but I&#8217;m gonna have to disagree this time. No hard feelings? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Why? &#171; HaBitza &#8211; Date like a Mensch</title>
		<link>http://habitza.com/2009/11/12/subconscious-rejection/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why? &#171; HaBitza &#8211; Date like a Mensch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is marriage?  Deena mentioned the &#8220;bitza family&#8221; ties as a possibility in her post on subconscious rejection &#8211; and research has been done on kibbutz-style living that there isn&#8217;t much [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is marriage?  Deena mentioned the &#8220;bitza family&#8221; ties as a possibility in her post on subconscious rejection &#8211; and research has been done on kibbutz-style living that there isn&#8217;t much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Long-timer in the bog</title>
		<link>http://habitza.com/2009/11/12/subconscious-rejection/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Long-timer in the bog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think you&#039;re single because you live here, I think you live here because you&#039;re single. Living here doesn&#039;t hold you back as much as it gives you the social support to hang in there. I do still check out my guy friends (some of whom I met by dating them), and quite a few couples I know connected after having known each other for years, so I don&#039;t think living here is the cause of extended single-hood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re single because you live here, I think you live here because you&#8217;re single. Living here doesn&#8217;t hold you back as much as it gives you the social support to hang in there. I do still check out my guy friends (some of whom I met by dating them), and quite a few couples I know connected after having known each other for years, so I don&#8217;t think living here is the cause of extended single-hood.</p>
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